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  • One very interesting aspect of the early argument was that it was primarily a set of questions about what "marriage" means as an institution, and accordingly, whether it is "irrational" or "invidious discrimination" to exclude gays and lesbians. As a consequence, you had some Justices emphasizing the "millennia long" definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, and other Justices -- like Ginsburg -- emphasizing the relatively new character of egalitarian marriage, now sponsored by the state governments, on which gays and lesbians were seeking to enter. You also had a kind of quirky historical dispute about whether ancient societies with their heterosexual definition of marriage could not be trusted (because they generally discriminated against gays and lesbians), or whether they could be, because they were generally more open to homosexuality outside the marriage context (Alito asked this question about Ancient Greece). There was a parallel line of questioning about whether bans on interracial marriage were as consistent as the "millennia long" definition of marriage as uniting a man and woman. Doctrinally, this all seemed to float somewhere above the bottom line question of whether states were discriminating against gays and lesbians or somehow marking them as less favored members of society.
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